is pbs perfect? no. have they provided through their children's programming for almost 50 years some of the finest educational content worldwide for our nation's children? absolutely. does it deserve to be on the chopping block? >> that's the word i was looking for. chopping block. thank you for helping me out. >> chopping block. here is -- here's something i would like to point out, soledad. i know in this current economic climate we have to make different choices. however, i was raised by a woman whose philosophy it was to give her children the best education she could not afford. do you understand what i'm saying? >> value in the free. >> we have to make the investment in our children if we expect for them to pay off on that investment through their realizing their most full potential. so there are places where you can cut. there are places where you need to cut. there are places that you just don't cut because it is not right. >> for you that would be pbs. lavar burton, of course, was host andive and